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2008-03-10 20:06:24
Jason Schultz = EFF on michael crook
michael crook sent a
DMCA
takedown notice to take out his photo from fox.
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2008-03-10 19:37:05
why not celebrate the worst of the haters?
what would that do?
think about that
he’s stopping for any questions
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2008-03-10 19:32:17
Openness As Legal Tool
The answer to speech you don’t like is more speech.
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2008-03-10 19:39:53
Filmmaker Arin Crumley
He had some stuff stolen and posted this video
He was robbed at a great party
At the end of the night the coat was stolen with his passport and the coat area
He goes on to share this video with friends
Tons of people call him a jerk for this !
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2008-03-10 19:51:34
patti @ timbuk2 feels they got lucky
based in san francisco
grew up with adobe
one of the first product companies adobe used as an example
way more exposure than we deserved early
this company came up on the back of working messengers
weird investor
now we have a fanbase that loves the bags
quality product and customization has helped us tons
if you build your bag it’s more yours than anything off a shelf
this has kept us active in the community
all the images on the site are community-sourced
we’re selling patches by artists they like
you start to be more available to your customers
we’re not that controversial beyond that though.
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2008-03-10 19:28:54
"negative attack ads"
you have to respond fast to the other candidate’s issues
timeliness is critial
not a contradiction but a challenge
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2008-03-10 19:34:13
should you wait 24 hours or respond quickly ?
being proactive is good isn’t it ?
patti’s point is that you need to
know yourself
.
sarah lacy needs more time to collect her mind
it wasn’t fair to corner her but she let it happen too
be aware of your cooling-down period
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2008-03-10 19:33:15
DMCA
the copyright violation idea was used to protect his reputation
EFF
saw this as a “chilling effect”
Michael Crook’s image now got even worse as random users start hacking his image
THEN
he apologizes.
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2008-03-10 19:37:42
Don't take it personally
i’ll just wait for 24 hours until I’m calmer and have more perspective.
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2008-03-10 19:27:48
Celebrate Your Critics
Bitgravity’s Brian Shaler
he can take a joke
why not try some negative publicity?
“there’s no such thing as bad publicity”
by celebrating it, it turns criticism into a bad joke
critics get pulled into the bad joke and that ends up being all there is to it.
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2008-03-10 19:31:13
Then His Apology Sucked
he was of the impression that you could control your image if you disagreed with the intent.
He Was Wrong.
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2008-03-10 19:39:17
"Griefer Madness"
Michael Crook
he shows the interview from hell
he’s on hannity
hannity keeps on picking quotes like “the us military is retroactive abortion”
this guy has now destroyed his own reputation
he’s done all the work for hannity
the image on fox news becomes fodder for critical bloggers
and then it gets
WORSE
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2008-03-10 19:34:57
Online Reputation Is Very Permanent
Is it OK to make someone wear a scarlet C for copyright-abuser?
EFF
really nailed him to the wall for this
“If you put yourself out there on the net you have a responsibility to own up to that.”
We thought it was appropriate that he would have to own up for that on the video
But if anything happens online you can make that fall away by doing good things
It’s an incentive to do good and productive things
Jason goes on to talk about how he believes that openness accrues to his benefit.
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2008-03-10 19:41:27
Context Matters
Miller shows an avatar instead of her on video
She does not want to be interviewed on video
Openness would make her less effective in her job
She doesn’t take it to an extreme
“I would prefer to be an open person but there’s no doubt that some poeple in the social justice arena are more conservative…
...she likes to wear outrageous things that get on blogs”
I don’t like it when people google my name
Being open in her professional life would suck
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2008-03-10 19:44:26
Take It Down Please
Use a different name – or at least just my initials
Separate those two worlds of professional and private
Open herself up personally to people who are total jerks
She doesn’t want to be on the firing line
There’s actually a
safety issue
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2008-03-10 19:46:35
Controversy and damage
“You would tend to look at all my other work first”
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2008-03-10 19:47:54
WHAT ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL HURT ?!?!
HOW CAN WE BE CALM AND CENTERED DESPITE THE ANGER
A great question.
These are extraordinary people
Others are afraid to come near the toxic sludge of ugliness
Often it just fades away
But the emotional stuff is the most mystical part
Clearly Michael the filmmaker has a thick skin
He’s been doing it a long time
Every time we get a critical comment on our business it hurts.
But
the act of responding and engaging is actually transformative
.
The act of engaging does act as a salve for the emotional hurt
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2008-03-10 19:55:20
Accidental Controversy Can Villainize You
Wasn’t really aware of the
DMCA
or any of the implications
DMCA
is used by big corporations to go against the little guy
A person in her situation would be considered a littleguy
but these art dumbasses called her a big corporation
techcrunch was against her
She represented her side of the story well
Other artists came to her defense eventually
They also felt their work was being stolen
Despite that rocky three weeks she has so many clients now
Her willingness to stand up for her rights made her very popular as a photographer.
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2008-03-10 19:49:23
"That last video has enraged the internet."
The world has become a very hostile place
I put together a mashup with an acoustic guitar
it’s hysterical – he took quotes from haters and made a song of it
he totally transformed it = a
JUDO MOVE
.
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2008-03-10 19:53:10
Privacy And Free Speech
Lane Hartwell the photographer goes to lots of conferences and parties and takes photographs
She was just trying to deal with a copyright violation in a private way
It became very public because everything in the artistic arena is directed at the public arena
This was supposed to be a private negotiation but that’s impossible
She was forced to give up her privacy in the pursuit of protecting her reputation
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2008-03-10 19:57:25
How About Attacking Others Responsibly?
Some people
need
to be chastised.
GetSatisfaction has given this a lot of thought.
Part of it is tone, part of it is creating a responsive context
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2008-03-10 19:58:47
WHAT ABOUT STALKERS?
If they’re under true attack like a celebrity.
NO ANSWER
.
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2008-03-10 20:00:20
CREATE AN ARMY TO TELL YOUR STORY FOR YOU
your mission as a company can be engaging with customers
use getsatisfaction
start using your voice again
7 year hiatus
when I came back we used to be snarky and we had lost that in those seven years
start being snarky again
timbuk2 had no point of view in the interim
she sent out funny emails
“here today gone tomorrow just like that jerk who stole your virginity”
there was a lot of heat
there is 110,000 ppl who have opted in for us
they register and become evangelists
it just exploded via netnewsaggregator
timbuk2 got this “it is not funny to joke about rape” anger
correspondence with her directly
of course i don’t want rape!
but on the blogs
other people who were evangelists responded “chill out folks!”
we’ve seen that kind of defense happen on getsatisfaction
she’s amusing but more conscious and careful about what I think is funny.
unless you’re in the presence of someone who knows the real story you must be more sensitive
other people have never heard of you
use a much more casual voice with customers
unofficial – conversations going back and forth
we do make a lot of mistakes
when you decide to be vocal and give your people the chance to talk with consumers you make mistakes
be honest
don’t speak from a defensive point of view…
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2008-03-10 19:23:30
Jason Schultz gets called a mob attorney/ambulance chaser
This can really damage your standing with the bar
Try not to say
bring it on
Because he stood for free speech with the
EFF
he got criticized by big companies.
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2008-03-10 19:43:20
The EFF made Crook a human being
Nobody took the apology that seriously
But it still changed the terms of conversation around MC
Openness can be used as a
legal
tool.
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2008-03-10 19:40:35
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WHAT ABOUT STALKERS?
How About Attacking Others Responsibly?
Privacy And Free Speech
WHAT ABOUT THE EMOTIONAL HURT ?!?!
"That last video has enraged the internet."
Filmmaker Arin Crumley
Accidental Controversy Can Villainize You
Controversy and damage
Take It Down Please
Context Matters
Jason Schultz gets called a mob attorney/ambulance chaser
Online Reputation Is Very Permanent
The EFF made Crook a human being
Openness As Legal Tool
Then His Apology Sucked
DMCA
Jason Schultz = EFF on michael crook
"Griefer Madness"
"negative attack ads"
should you wait 24 hours or respond quickly ?
why not celebrate the worst of the haters?
Celebrate Your Critics
patti @ timbuk2 feels they got lucky
Don't take it personally
CREATE AN ARMY TO TELL YOUR STORY FOR YOU
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